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kids in weightlifting

Get your kids in Olympic weightlifting!  The sport needs kids starting
as early as 7 or 8!  The sport of weightlifting needs to have kids
start at a younger age, preparing them early so they can be ready to
make an Olympic team and start winning Gold medals for the USA! The younger our athleltes start the stronger, more efficient and more experienced
they will be when they get in there prime.  Its a shame how
weightlifting is not a varsity sport. Why is not?  Why is throwing a
medal ball as far as you can a college sport and a varsity sport but
not weightlifting?  Why can you get a full ride to college for golf, a
non Olympic sport but not weightlifting?  Its bullshit.  I would have
neevr played football or soccer if I could join the weightlifting team
in middle school or highschool.  Its sad how these kids dont have the
option to enjoy the great sport of weightlifting.  The kids I coach
love it, and they always ask me, “hey coach Jon, can I get a
scholarship weightlifting”?  I say no you cant, and then most of them
leave the sport and play a sport that they can get there college payed
for , and I dont blame them!   Did you know that weightlifting use to
be apart of track and field.  What happend?  I am getting pissed just
talking about it, goodby.
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MadMax: I have been injured in weightlifting probably more than most!

That being said I have never in my life seen as many broken bones, concussions, sprains, strains and generally bad injuries as i have when I started to work with YOUTH football player and high school athletes. 12 year old kids with torn labrums from football WTF? and learning to lift weights is going to hurt these kids?
  • 08/26/2010
 
thegmenxlii: Im not sure if some said this, but i always heard that weight lifting at a young age can stunt your growth due to bad form, and the amount of pressure on your spine.
  • 08/25/2010
 
JonNorth: Hey Glenn, why is there such a hug roomer that weightlifting will stunt your growth if starting to early?  where did this come from?  or anybody out there that knows let me know.  
  • 08/23/2010
 
glennpendlay: Even if we take OL out of it, and talk about regular weight training, lets say squats and bench press, the point still stands.  Lets say that a 7 year old can comfortably do 3 sets of 10 with 40lbs on the bench press, yet weighs 80lbs, and can do say, 3 pushups.  Can you think of a reason why bench pressing 40lbs would be more “stressful” than doing pushups?

Do you know the magnitude of difference in the stress level on the knees between lets say, jumping off a swing from 2 feet in the air, and squatting a comfortable set of 10 with say, 60% of bodyweight, a normal and doable task for most 6 year olds?

And to answer your last question, if you want to get to the absolute highest level possible for your genetics, you have to start, IMO, by about age 12 at the latest.  That doesnt mean you cant be really good if you start later.  I have a lifter on this years world championship team that didnt start till age 20.

Starting young helps you reach your full genetic potential.  What that potential is determines how good you will be.  Besides a very select few, most people never get anywhere near their potential, so I would say that how near you get to your potential is the most important thingh
  • 08/17/2010
 
llulko: Glenn You made some very good points… I like the progression used to train young children… I guess I am not too familiar with Olympic lifting training and technique to fully understand the positive and negative side effects especially seen with children… I do agree that cross country and sprint training have higher risks of knee, tendon, ligament and muscular damage due to the constant unnatural pounding and lack of recovery.  I played soccer and track  in high school,  till this day my shins and knees bother me which makes it difficult to train and prepare weekly workout routines ahead of time..  
 
Congrats on your sons accomplishments!! I am sure it is also a great father and son bonding experience … Lucky for him he has an amazing coach!!  
Do you think genetics is more important to reach elite level in the sport or starting at a young age and learning proper technique and form?   
  • 08/17/2010
 
glennpendlay: llulko,

First of all, I would like to ask you if you know of, or have ever heard of, even ONE instance of a growth plate damaged from lifting weights.  I ask this because a few years ago myself and Dr. Lon Kilgore and Dr. Michael Hartman were trying to find such an instance and could find NOT ONE documented case in any medical literature.

Second, if you are concerned about growth plate damage or damage to bones, why arent you leading a crusade against participating in cross country in middle school and high school?  I assume you must know that cross country has the highest incidence of any sport for these types of injuries.

And last, I believe you have stated that weightlifting is more stressful to a young persons body than wrestling or gymnastics?  Could you please explain how on God’s green earth this could possibly be?

Bones, tendons, ligaments not fully developed?  Well, they are fully developed enough that you can do handstand pushups, regular pushups, etc.  Fully developed enough that you can crash into another human being at full force, fall to the ground, etc.  What is odd is that the stress to the bones, tendons, and ligaments in all of these and most other situations in sports that are “ok” to do when you are 6 are not controlled by your strength level, it doesnt matter how strong you are, developed you are, etc, what controls the resistance is your bodyweight, gravity, and possibly the bodyweigt and speed of another person.  But even if you can only do 2 pushups, and in doing a pushup you are basically doing a 1 rep max, or close to it, then that is ok because its “your bodyweight”….  and your bodyweight couldnt possibly hurt you, right???

Compare this to a 7 year old who is learning how to snatch.  We have infinite control over the resistance.  We can, and usually do, start with a wooden dowel or piece of PVC pipe.  IF they are strong enough and able, we can progress to a 10lb aluminum bar.  IF and WHEN they are strong enough and physically ready, we can move to a 20lb steel bar.  We can slowly add weight to the bar through weeks and months WHEN THEY ARE READY.  They will probably eventually lift their bodyweight and more.  It will happen within months, or maybe not for several years.  It will happen when they are READY to do it.  When they are strong enough to do it safely and with good positions.

I will not only say that OL is safe for kids, I will say that it is probably THE SAFEST sport for the 5-8 year old group of ANY SPORT THAT I KNOW OF.  Much safer than soccer, wrestling, gymnastics, etc.  Because these sports are not adjustable.  Stress is placed on the body by bodyweight and gravity, and not with the athletes capabilities determining the precise amount of stress via an adjustalbe barbell.

My son does soccer, weightlifting, and wrestling.  He is 8.  He has a MUCH higher probability of getting hurt in soccer or wrestling than he does in weightlifting.

And by the way, he competed in his first weightlifting competition (Kansas State Championships) when he was 4 years old.  And won the 11 and under catagory at the Junior Olympics when he was 6.

Now at 8 years old he is 5’2” and weighs 110lbs.  I dont think it has stunted his growth.  God help us if he takes up cross country though.
  • 08/16/2010
 
PeteBauman: you are right that gymnastics, wrestling, etc exerts different stresses on the body, but i would actually say they are more violent and impactful than Olympic lifting. the turning, bending, twisting, landings and everything else associated with those sports are far different than the muscularly explosive focus of weightlifting. i don’t really understand how you think those movements have any less impact on your growth plates, vertebral discs and muscular development than weights.

obviously the european countries and their lifters have done this from a young age with great success for a long long time. if there isn’t a better longitudinal case study than that i don’t know what could be.

and for the record, i am friends with a number of gymnasts who have numerous chronic injuries with their shoulders, knees, etc due to years and years of gymnastics, similar to what you see with some life-long weightlifters.
  • 08/16/2010
 
llulko:  I am sure kids will excel with their Olympic lifting careers if they started at a young age however (me personally) I would not allow my child to do weight bearing lifts until his growth plates and muscular development matured.  Learning technique and proper form with little to no weigh is another story. 
 
I just think there are too many risks involved with starting at a young age.  Gymnastics, wrestling, and martial arts are completely different then Olympic lifting, They are mostly body weight and resistance movements,    
  • 08/16/2010
 
JonNorth: And that right there is the reason why America never medals in the Olympics.  
  • 08/16/2010
 
roadhouse327: I think that weight training at a young age to improve performance in a sport is different than weight training to become an olympic lifter. I was never aloud to lift until I was around 14 because as I was still growing and exercises such as squats would have had a huge impact on my spine and knees in the long term. However I was doing pushups, sit ups, and pull ups all of which helped with my overall performance. I do think that weightlifting at a young age is not a wise thing to do just because it can alter how your body develops…
  • 08/16/2010
 
 
 
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