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I dont understand why power lifting is so popular in sports training.  Why do a slow movement?  The dead lift, the half ass squat, even the bench press.  So slow, so slow.  Do you move that slow in your sport?  Do you move that slow in football.  A power lifter in football would not last a second, they are to slow, strong but to slow.  aN Olympic weightlifter would do much better, they are fast, explosive and strong.  I want my athletes to be explosive strong animals!  Move boy, stop the body building and start moving heavy weight fast boy!  just like making a tackle, hit him hard and FAST!  what do you think?

 I am sorry you feel that way I don’t know how they train in Cali but here everyone that i know trains maybe at a rate of 80/20 80 percent of the work is speed work for explose lifts only 20 percent are heavy and not what I would consider slow. One thing for sure in our training regimine we definately increase speed and muscler endurance very effectively. And as far as the half ass squat my boys hate it but I milk crate them to 15 degrees below parallel. And believe it or not I see no reason what so ever why Olympic lifting should not be part of everyone’s training tactics but that goes both ways Powerlifting movements or at least some of the specialized stabilizer training could easily be incorporated into any training system.
 
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Butch

Yeah I guess that makes sense. Every coach I ever worked with in high school or club sports had us lift just to increase general strength, but I never thought about whether or not that would apply to the sport I played or make me stronger in the ways I needed to be.

I’ve long since stopped playing organized sports so I work out for general strength and to look good, but athletic training is a different beast. Good stuff guys!

I do agree with you, I do see how athletes can benifit off power lifting, but I think they can benifit more off Olympic weightlifting. I  think Olympic weightlifting is not used enough in strength training for football.  I think power lifting movements are way over used, and by adding more Olympic lifts would benifit these athletes way more. 

It really depends on the athlete right?

If you have a guy who is really fast and explosive then make him stronger and visa versa.  Training should always be individualized to help athletes capitalize on their strenghts and eliminate their weaknesses.

thats just my two cents

Hey, I just saw this for the first time, even though Barbelldog’s been telling me to check this lunacy out. I understand that slow movements are detrimental to any sport, however, increases in strength and endurance by far are not.

Training for your one rep max all the time will burn you out, and one sure fire way to make sure you are still seeing increases in strength is to do sub 100% reps as hard and fast as you can.

Anyone who doesn’t think there is room for powerlifting in other sports, or other sports training philosophies into powerlifting I highly encourage to check out this link… These guys are personal inspiration to me, and they definately have an insanely well rounded training philospohy. My favorite part is where a ~150# dude is doing a turkish get up with an olympic bar loaded at about 135#…http://www.gymjones.com/knowledge.php?id=12

Neither the training program of a competitive powerlifter nor the training program of a competitive weightlifter is ideal for the athletes in other sports.

Powerlifting has done a lot to advance the field of strength and conditioning in the last 20 years.  Things like sled pulling, the reverse hyperextension machine, and explosive training on the squat and bench press have all been popularized by powerlifting and have benefited athletes in many sports.  But there is no way that the same training that is ideal for maximizing a half-squat in a double canvas suite done with the feet braced against the frames of a monolift, or a bench press in an open backed denim shirt that actually has to be pulled down to get it to touch the upper stomach and only has to be “pressed” when it is near lockout is the same training as is ideal for a running back.

Likewise, the same training that is ideal for an athlete who only does two movements in competition, like OL, and seeks to maximize skill, strength, and effeciency in those two movements cannot be ideal for an athlete who on the field of play has to exert force from 100 different positions, in 100 directions and at 100 different speeds.  The snatch is a great exercise for a basketball player who wants to jump higher or get a quicker first step, but spending half your training time maximizing skill and effeciency on that one exercise like a weightlifter does is NOT appropriate for a basketball player.

Of course athletes in all sports benefit from strength training.  And most can learn from the programs of athletes who compete in the both barbell sports, powerlifting and weightlifting.  But they shouldnt be training just like athletes in either one.

Ok Glenn Pendlay That makes sense and I understand, but if you had to pick the best strength training program for an athlete witch one would you pick, weightlifting or powerlifting?

Ok Glenn Pendlay That makes sense and I understand, but if you had to pick the best strength training program for an athlete witch one would you pick, weightlifting or powerlifting?

An impossible question to answer, because there are so many different methods to train for each sport.

I think the only reasonable question that IS answerable is how I would structure a routine for a certain sport.

If you are talking about sports like football, basketball, or soccer, in general the strength program should be built around fast, explosive movements, but should contain a large amount of variety.  By neccessity, this is going to contain things that look more like typical powerlifitng training, and some things that look more like weightlifting training.

 

In Jon’s defense, let me tell you tyhat we at california strength have been presented with a few powerilifters or former powrerlifters who definately fit the description of strong, real strong, in a very, very narrow movement and speed range.  And very weak outside it.

To the powerlifters out there.  Can you front squat 400lbs in a t-shirt and shorts, taken rock bottom?  If so, t hen good on you.  If not, then look at your triaining if you th ink its “athletic”.  If yoiu dont think that, then go ahead…

no one said you had to be “athletic”.  being good at powerlifting is a decent goal.  Really, it wqas my goal for a long tieme, nothing wrong with it, or any more right or wrong than wanting to be good at OL.