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Training 20 + reps ???

 
  • Training 20 + reps ???
  • March 02, 2011 02:49 PM
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What are your thoughts about this?
 
DO you ever do 20 + reps..
 
In the article bellow writen by Charles Poliquin, states that you can build hypertrophy
 
 
 
When 20 + reps are indicated for the bodybuilder.
By: Charles Poliquin
 
Yes there are some instances where sets of 20 reps or more are indicated
  
 
1. sets of 20 reps or more work extremely well  in  certain form of squats and deadlifts, and of course in the leg press, they  are very effective at creating hypertrophy . These given above exercises make full use of the stretch shortening capability of the muscle involved. 
 
For example, sets of 20 in the dumbbell deadlifts is one of the quickest ways to pack on pounds on a lean frame. Studies have also shown that for example in the bench press a load of 70% of maximum  will permit only 12 reps while at the same percentage of his leg press maximum the same individual will perform 40 reps.
 
Twenty reps squats are the foundation of many quick mass development programs of years ago. Entire books centered around this methodology have been written, and they are result inducing for the ones willing to work hard at them.
 
You also have to keep in mind that these exercises train muscles that tend to have a greater proportion of lower threshold fibers than other muscle groups, hence the need for higher reps.
 
 
2. For most individuals, hypertrophy comes mainly from doing repeated efforts of 40-70 seconds of time under tension per set.
 
Therefore, depending on the range of motion and the tempo at which each rep is executed, sets of 20 can create hypertrophy. Calf and forearm training are perfect examples that come to mind.
 
 
3. Periodic phases of 20 reps of more sets allows the central nervous system and the joints to recover from all the pounding it gets from normal workouts.
 
For example, if you just did a 12 week peaking program to achieve a new max weight in the front squat and in the power clean, doing a few weeks of sets of 20 will leave you refreshed to go for a new strength cycle aiming at personal bests lets say, in the power snatch and in the squat.
These phases of high reps do not need to be long. Usually one to three weeks does the trick for most individuals.
 
 
4. Another method to use high reps effectively, is to conclude each workout with a twenty rep set for that bodypart. 
 
My colleague Bill Starr, is also a fan of this method. It is a great way to knock off the lower threshold motor units once you have done your quality heavy work. This a very good plateau buster for hypertrophy training. Make sure that the back off set is done with an exercise that involves a lot of motor units. For example, in triceps training, the close grip bench press is a much wiser choice than the rope pressdown.
 
 
 
 
 
  • RE:Training 20 + reps ???
  • March 05, 2011 11:05 PM
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The 20 reps at the end of the workout sounds brutal. I might have to try that. Do you use super light weights for things like this?
 
 
 
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  • March 07, 2011 11:58 AM
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 You should use a weight that allow you to fatigue at 18 reps.. and PUSH to 20 reps  
 
 
 
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  • March 07, 2011 03:17 PM
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why? are you talking about doing breathing reps?
 
 
 
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  • March 07, 2011 03:39 PM
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what are you talking about pete.. Breathing reps?/
 
Who mentioned that?
 
 
 
  • RE:Training 20 + reps ???
  • March 07, 2011 06:01 PM
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if you’re doing a weight that you can only do 18 reps with, how else are you gonna get to 20? i also don’t know many poeople that know their 18 rep max, lol
 
 
 
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  • March 07, 2011 07:02 PM
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Ullulko could be on to something hear as far as useing high reps for getting strong even in a one rep max, the reason I say this is becuase coach has been haveing me do around 8 reps in the squats, (high volume for a weightlifting)  and its getting me freaky strong.  My calean and jerk as went up over 10 kilos, and so has my one rep squat max. 
 
 
 
  • RE:Training 20 + reps ???
  • March 08, 2011 02:54 AM
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Ullulko could be on to something hear as far as useing high reps for getting strong even in a one rep max, the reason I say this is becuase coach has been haveing me do around 8 reps in the squats, (high volume for a weightlifting)  and its getting me freaky strong.  My calean and jerk as went up over 10 kilos, and so has my one rep squat max. 
 
 

 
Big difference between 8 reps and 20.  Sets of 20, or “breathing squats” is an old, old method and several books have been written about it, including the book “super squats” by randy strossen.  Its probably a good tool for bodybuilders, but not so much for athletes because it interferes too much with other training.
 
 
 
  • RE:Training 20 + reps ???
  • March 08, 2011 09:57 AM
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Pete you don’t know EVERYTHING! There are studies that suggest doing 20 reps increase strength…
 
It might not be a successful training method for everyone (just like Glenn stated) however there is a time and place for it. 
 
I don’t think this should be people’s main focus but it is a nice change up once in a while…
 
 
 
I said 18 reps because most people have more in them then they think… obviously the goal is 20 reps…
 
I know my 20 rep max… If you train with high reps YOU FIGURE IT OUT!
 
 
 
 
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  • March 08, 2011 09:58 AM
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Big difference between 8 reps and 20.  Sets of 20, or “breathing squats” is an old, old method and several books have been written about it, including the book “super squats” by randy strossen.  Its probably a good tool for bodybuilders, but not so much for athletes because it interferes too much with other training.
 
 
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Hey glenn.. this is interesting..
 
How can it interfere with other training.. I am not questioning you.. I am just curious..
 
 
 
  • RE:Training 20 + reps ???
  • March 09, 2011 03:05 AM
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Big difference between 8 reps and 20.  Sets of 20, or “breathing squats” is an old, old method and several books have been written about it, including the book “super squats” by randy strossen.  Its probably a good tool for bodybuilders, but not so much for athletes because it interferes too much with other training.
 
 
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Hey glenn.. this is interesting..
 
How can it interfere with other training.. I am not questioning you.. I am just curious..[/QUOTE]
Higher reps take longer to recover from.  Thats why athletes in high-skill sports, or sports requiring precise movement, rarely do high rep type training, the need for frequent practice and the damage that high reps can do to the ability to train correctly in the aftermath of something like a set of 20 breathing squats…
 
 
 
  • RE:Training 20 + reps ???
  • March 09, 2011 10:11 AM
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Higher reps take longer to recover from.  Thats why athletes in high-skill sports, or sports requiring precise movement, rarely do high rep type training, the need for frequent practice and the damage that high reps can do to the ability to train correctly in the aftermath of something like a set of 20 breathing squats…
 
 
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I HAD NO IDEA!!
So more a non athlete “like me” it would benefit me to do high rep training? 
 
How would you indue this in someones program?
 
body splits, whole body workouts, only one day high reps??
 
This opens up a whole new can of worms!
 
 
 
 
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  • March 10, 2011 03:42 AM
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[quote]Higher reps take longer to recover from.  Thats why athletes in high-skill sports, or sports requiring precise movement, rarely do high rep type training, the need for frequent practice and the damage that high reps can do to the ability to train correctly in the aftermath of something like a set of 20 breathing squats…
 
 
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I HAD NO IDEA!!
So more a non athlete “like me” it would benefit me to do high rep training? 
 
How would you indue this in someones program?
 
body splits, whole body workouts, only one day high reps??
 
This opens up a whole new can of worms!
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High reps work best for legs, second best for back/bicep pulling movements.  Can only be done relatively infrequently, like once or twice per week.
 
 
 
  • RE:Training 20 + reps ???
  • March 10, 2011 10:46 AM
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That makes sense..
 
Your legs have more fast twitch fibers..
 
I wouldnt do that more then twice a week anyway..
 
I dont lift heavy with my legs so that is perfect..
 
What are the best leg exercises to do high reps.. squats..
 
What else?